A close relative has severe mental illne

Bottom line: the evidence supports what you're already doing on the ground — supervised, planned, short visits with simple explanations — and argues against the one thing you've tried: hiding it from the kids. Secrecy around a parent's (or a close relative's) mental illness is consistently linked to more distress and stigma for children, not less. You don't need to agree with your partner on the principle tonight; you do need one agreed *shape* for Friday's visit, and a way the kids can feel safe without being used as messengers.

What the evidence actually says (and where it's thin): most studies are about children of parents with serious mental illness, not children visiting a relative — so there's no trial telling you "visits are good/bad." What is well supported: (a) children pick up on incongruence regardless of what you tell them, and secrecy plus shame makes it worse; (b) protective factors are one consistent adult, predictable routine, honest age-appropriate explanation, and respite for the caregivers; (c) for the person with the illness, family psychoeducation and a written early-warning-signs/relapse plan are recommended (NICE CG178 on psychosis and schizophrenia; a 2025 scoping review, Jørgensen et al., on children of parents with mental illness and substance use disorders, emphasizes secrecy/stigma and the stabilizing role of extended family).

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1) What you tried vs. a better alternative

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2) Tonight / today (Friday, before the visit) — under 25 minutes

A. Write the visit plan on one screen (10 min)

• Date, arrival time, departure time (a hard end time helps everyone).
• Two adults named: "Adult1 stays with the kids. Adult 2 steps out with her if it gets hard."
• Where the kids will be during the visit: one room, not the room where the adult is talking to her.
• The exit phrase (pick one and use it every time): *"We're going for a snack"* — and it means leave, no discussion.
• One thing that is *not* happening Friday: no medication talk, no money talk, no "how are you really" talk.

B. Kitchen/home routines that already work (use food you have)

• Keep the visit meal simple and familiar — rice, eggs, soup, fruit, whatever is already in the house. Nothing new, nothing that needs cooking attention you don't have.
• Feed the kids *before* arrival so no one is hungry and irritable mid-visit.
• One quiet table, one adult per child if possible; no screens for the kids during the first30 minutes of the visit.

C. Talk to the kids (5 min, together, both of you)
Use the sentence below. Then ask one question only: *"What would you do if you started to worry?"* Their answer tells you who they'll go to.

D. Take the load off one adult (5 min)
Call the elder or sibling nearby. One ask: *"Saturday 3–5pm, if it gets hard can you take the kids for an hour?"* They need a simple job, not a briefing.

E. One request to her own care team (10 min, before Friday if possible)
Ask for a written early-warning-signs plan — the signs that mean she is heading for a bad day, what to do first, and who to call — plus a family session if they're willing. That plan is also *your* permission to shorten or end a visit. You are requesting it, not changing anything yourself.

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3) Constraints and the avoid list

• No medication decisions by you. Don't start, stop, skip, move, or double any dose for her, an elder, a child, or a pet. Her dose and timing belong to her prescriber or pharmacist. Don't buy anything online or from anyone informally; no "calming" powders, no herbal or street substitutes for sleep or agitation.
• Don't argue with her about what's real. Don't agree with a delusion either. Short, kind, non-committal: *"I don't see it that way, but let's sit here a minute."* Then move the conversation to food, weather, the kids' school.
• Don't use the kids as messengers, judges, or helpers — not to carry messages to her, not to check on her, not to be told to calm her down.
• Don't litigate the disagreement in front of the kids. No "your mother says," no choosing sides in front of them.
• Don't use contact as leverage. "If she behaves, the kids visit; if not, they don't" makes the kids observers of an argument they can't fix.
• Don't promise outcomes. Not "she'll be fine tomorrow," not "she'll get better." You can promise *what the kids will get*: an adult with them, an adult who will step in, and an end time.
• Don't hide a real risk to keep the visit. If something below in §5 appears, the visit changes — that's not "ruining the visit."

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4) Screenshot-friendly scripts

To the kids (before the visit, both parents together):
> "We're going to see Auntie on Saturday. She's been unwell, and because of that her words and feelings don't always make sense right now. That's her illness — nothing you did caused it, and it's not your job to fix. Me and [name] will be with you the whole time, and if anything feels weird, you come to us, no questions. We leave at [time]. That's it."

To your partner (the disagreement — name the difference, don't fake a compromise):
> "We're not going to settle the big question tonight, and I'm not asking you to. I want the kids to keep seeing her — it matters to her and it's good for them to know her. What I won't do is have them around without a plan, or let them be lied to about it. Can we agree the shape of Saturday — who supervises, how long, who steps out — and leave the bigger talk for later, with a time set for it?"

To your partner about the kids' script:
> "I want to tell them one honest sentence, not everything. I'd rather they hear it from us than work it out themselves."

To her (setting up Friday):
> "We're coming Saturday, from [time] to [time]. The kids will be with us the whole time. If it gets hard for you, say 'I need a minute' and I'll step outside with you — no problem, no explaining."

To the nearby elder or sibling:
> "Saturday 3–5pm. If it gets difficult at any point, could you take the kids out for an hour? You don't need to know why — just take them and bring them back."

To her care team:
> "I'm her family. Could we get a written plan for us: the early warning signs we should watch for, what we should do first, and who we call outside office hours? And is there a family session we could join?"

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5) Decision tree

Before Friday

• Her care team has (or hasn't) given a written early-warning-signs plan → either way, you build your own one-page version tonight from what you've observed.
• Is she currently well enough for the visit? → If she has not slept, eaten, or kept herself safe for several days, or is talking about needing to leave/go somewhere, postpone and say why — postponing once is a plan, not a rejection.

During the visit

1. Kids calm, her steady → ordinary family time. Good.
2. Her speech becomes confused, agitated, or paranoid → Adult 2 steps out with her (the exit phrase, no discussion). Kids stay with Adult 1 in another room. This is the plan working, not failing.
3. She says something frightening to or about a child → take the children out now. Do not debrief in front of her. Note what was said, when, and tell her care team.
4. She gives the children instructions (to leave, to go somewhere, to take something) → the children don't act on it; an adult handles it, and it goes on the report to her team.
5. Anything in §5 → the visit ends and you call for help.

After

• One line to the kids: *"Today was a bit hard. Nothing you did made it hard. We're good."* Then normal bedtime.
• One line to her care team if there was a wobble: date, what you saw, what you did, what helped. Facts, not interpretation.

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6) Red flags — stop the DIY and get clinical/urgent help

Call your local emergency number now, and get the children out of the room, if:

• She threatens harm to a child or anyone by name; mentions a weapon; tries to strangle, hit, or corner anyone; is in a state where she cannot be reasoned with and is actively dangerous.
• She gives instructions to a child that would put the child in danger (go with me, come with me, don't tell your dad, take this), or tries to leave with a child.
• She is talking about ending her life, or about not being around, in a way that is specific and recent — treat it as real, don't leave her alone, and seek urgent help.
• She is medically unwell in a way that looks like an emergency (collapse, chest pain, severe confusion, not eating or drinking for days).

Same-day clinical contact (her team, or a crisis/urgent mental-health service) if:

• Signs of relapse build over days — sleep reverses, she becomes unusually suspicious or grandiose, she stops taking her prescribed medication or says she doesn't need it, she starts talking about people watching her.
• Any of the above happens *without* danger: still report it, because it changes the plan, not because it is a crisis.

For the kids, book a talk with the pediatrician or school counselor if you notice (over the coming weeks):

• sleep or appetite change, school refusal, withdrawal from friends, new aggression or bedwetting regression, repeated stomach aches or headaches with no cause, or the child asks to "live somewhere else." Also if a child says they'd rather not go — that's information, and it's worth taking seriously.
• If a child talks about hurting themselves: take it to a clinician the same day, and stay with them.

What I can't tell you: whether Friday's visit is "safe enough" for your particular kids — that depends on her current symptoms and the kids' ages, which I can't see. What I can say is that supervised, time-limited, planned visits with two adults and an exit phrase are the standard protective setup, and the written early-warning-signs plan from her care team is the single best addition to it.

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7) What "success" looks like in 24 hours (no cures promised)

By tomorrow evening, six things are true — and none of them require your partner to change his mind:

1. The kids have heard one honest sentence, and each knows which adult to go to.
2. There's a one-screen visit plan with a hard end time, two named adults, and an exit phrase.
3. Friday's visit is decided and short — you don't have to resolve the principle to do this.
4. The other adult nearby knows one job: take the kids out if asked.
5. You've asked her care team for a written early-warning-signs plan (or left a message asking for one).
6. You and your partner have one agreed *shape* for Friday, and a specific time set to talk about the bigger question — with the understanding that the disagreement is about values, not a fact to be won.

What success is *not*: the visit going perfectly, her seeming fine, or your partner agreeing. It's that the kids are safe, informed, and not carrying an adult's argument, and that you have a plan for the next bad day.

One thing I'd want to know to tighten this: how old are the kids, and is she currently in care with a team (or not)? That changes which part of the plan carries the weight — with a team, the early-warning-signs plan is the spine; without one, the "who to call outside office hours" line has to be found first, and I'd help you work out that door.